The New IFB does not consider itself to be a denomination. The school was run by Lester Roloff, an independent fundamental Baptist preacher who broke from the Southern Baptist Convention in 1954 and founded a series Get our Question of the Week delivered right to your inbox! We ARE the church my friend! I love devotions with the Lord. If you see buses full of kids of all ethnicities and backgrounds coming to worship together, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. WebActs 15:36,41; 16:5; I Corinthians 16:1; Galatians 1:1-3; Revelation 1:4, 10, 11. That is contrary to Bible doctrine for a pastor. Independent Baptist churches (some also called Independent Fundamental Baptist or IFB) are Christian congregations, generally holding to conservative (primarily fundamentalist) Baptist beliefs. No, its only announced in the powers points as a time and place. A friendly fellowship group for members of local New Testament Independent Baptist churches. I do into great detail about why I believe the IFB is cultish in practice. The New IFB is strongly opposed to homosexuality, with several pastors advocating the belief that homosexuals should be executed by the government. If you feel guilty for not having devotions 7 days a week, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 42. I was married when I attended before and now as a divorced woman, I know I probably would be looked down upon. From a biblical standpoint, Jesus is the ONLY mediator between God and Man and only Jesus can intercede us. 43. I forgave and praise the lord in my life forgiveness was indeed profitable. Many on here were saved at a IFB church. Not all churches are the same and if they are teaching Bible, they do teach about sin, and it should not be to make you feel any constraint towards the pastor to get away from that sin, but to learn to have some personal conviction that their sins need to be addressed, but THEY have to make that decision. This is simply an attempt to bring some humor to the blog for the readers enjoyment. Jesus Christ is the mediator between God and man. If your eyes quickly scan down to see if a fellow female church member is wearing the acceptable skirt, dress or koulotts outside of church, and Heaven forbid shes wearing capris or pants!! So the IFB pastor did counseling for 2 weeks and then, despite physical abuse, told you to get married! Most pastors skip virtue, usually because they just dont know any better. If I couldnt tolerate anyone saying something different I would instruct the site moderator to delete comments such as yours. That is the only sin that cannot be forgiven. That can get a little hairy, though, because you never know when youll end up at a more liberal churchlike yours! You can be saved and live however, but there will be consequences the saddest consequence of this behavior is your relationship with God will be Hindered greatly or little. The New IFB considers the modern nation of Israel to be a fraud and it also teaches that Christians rather than Jews are God's chosen people. Who are the Independent Baptists, and what do they believe? Tithing was around since before the Law of Moses. All people need to do is humbly ask for one. If you believe that you can tell who the good Christians are and who the bad Christians are by looking at the fruit in their lives, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 51. We believe that the New Testament church is a local assembly of baptized believers who have voluntarily joined themselves toge therto carry out the Great Commission. You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things. I can forgive people for offenses committed against me. The New IFB began with Steven Anderson of Faithful Word Baptist Church in response to perceived liberalism in other independent Baptist churches. That may mean dressing appropriately and not dis honoring your body because its a holy temple. The word fundamental simply means that we adhere to the fundamentals (basics) of the true Christian faith. Since the origins of the church, Baptists have said the Bible is the only authority for Christian faith THE LAST THINGS While I have no opinions on this I do agree that wives, from a biblical view, should be submissive to their husbands because its found in Ephesians 5:22-23: 22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. This is assuming that the parable of the prodigal son is some kind of instruction on how to deal with a troubled child You would probably also classify the God of the Old Testament as abusive. Wherever there are people, there is sin. If you read any other bible besides the Kjv bible you not sining. If you think that having a disagreement with a fellow Christian means that you are sowing discord with the brethren, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 53. Since God looks at Jesus to forgive Ill look at Jesus also to forgive. If people asked rather than assumed there would be a lot less reactions. The abuse would continue and they would be dead and their child would be in foster care. Quite the contrary, I was searching for something else when I clicked on this link, so I didnt then and dont now come looking to argue. 6. 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Wow! So I did. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 1. 18. 6 Dont waste what is holy on people who are unholy. Which is more importantthe gold or the Temple that makes the gold sacred? We even have TWO. Seeing 2 brothers in Christ debase a conversation (be it one or both parties) to snide remarks, tasteless jabs, and condescension as a form or response, makes us all look bad. I go to an IFB church and thought a few of your statements could be funny if in the right spirit, some not so much and others I found untrue altogether. Yes, we have strife and faults and hypocrites. (Mat 22:37-40) Can you honestly say that this is of God. 15 What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. His son a child murderer. 33 Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband. Jesus says that if you love Him, that you will keep His words.. Thank God for grace! Tattoos are the marks of the Devil I really dont know if they are marks of the devil but I do agree that tattoos are sinful even if its against the Old Testament. If you think that tithing 10% of your gross income is the minimum, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 6. Those are my concerns about the 25 topics about the Independent Fundamental Baptist beliefs. You are quick to throw in a jab about how much you dislike them, but cannot tolerate anyone saying different. 25. Christ is the o nly head of the church (Acts 13:1-4, 15:19-31, 20:28; Romans 16:1, 4; I Corinthians 3:9,16; 5:4-7,13; I Peter 5:1-4). You got me I am an IFB college grad. )(yikes), because I never want to put that church building and hierarchy that rules it above Christ. 8. The IFB church I attend preaches cleaning the heart not performing works. If youve been taught that robbing God (not giving 10% of gross income) is the special, one specific sin that will cause God to lift all protection of your life and allow satan FULL LIBERTY to destroy you. And, aside from the ones you mentioned that are truly sinful (i.e, #17, #53), and the ones that are just inaccurate (i.e, #13, #16, #35), some of these are interesting picks to end up on the list. If you believe that clapping after special music is wrong because it gives praise to the performer rather than to God, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 16. No, because I have said and thought some things I regret. You consider it a personal failure if you are not able to find a verse within ten seconds, and secretly proud if you are able to find it right away. Mental health issues is a result of sin and poor choices same position with my belief concerning IFB 48. If I chose to forgive him there would be hope for our relationship. By the way Jason, if you think theres something spiritual about tolerating abuse, I feel sorry for you. [5], In 2021, the NIFB-affiliated First Works Baptist Church in El Monte, California was bombed with an improvised explosive device. I must put it in Jesus Christ. 5 Everything they do is for show. Mental health issues are just another health issue people have. For you cross land and sea to make one convert, and then you turn that person into twice the child of hell you yourselves are! I can count on one hand the number of IFBs whove asked for a discussion instead of attacking me. Hypocrites! Also God commands us to try the spirits to see if they are of God that implies God gave us the power of discernment 1 John 4: 1-5. 2 Corinthians 2:10 is a guideline not a command. And I know you included that on your list, but there is a difference between joking and bitterness and I can see it in the comments as well as the post. If this life of inner peace is what I can have without feeling the need to write long lists then Ill take it. Im open to discussions what Im not open to is people telling me what God wants me to do with my time and resources. I found that 10 of those apply to me and Im not even IFB. I like that about them and not just them but the whole church, because the company you keep will influence you. Its about Jesus. I dont have to try and understand it, I already know it. Every person is individually responsible to God and will be judged according to the beliefs and practices he or she freely chooses. When you find Christ, you are a new creation and the spirit helps you to live a life that pleases Him, not us. They all work together. Do you find them so humorous ? We got saved that day September 14, 2014. 42. 29 What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Jonathan I have a question for you..IF the wine is grape juice (as in the water Jesus turned to wine)HOW can you get drunk on it???? Back then, you had to wear your Sunday best. Gospel Light Baptist Church, Albany, Georgia. They will trample the pearls, then turn and attack you. 28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. 2Co 5:15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again. We believe that the strict, literal interpretation of the Bible makes us Baptists. You feel forced to go door to door preaching No general opinion on this since door to door preaching within the IFB is very similar to that of the Jehovahs Witnesses though we should share the gospel to others, especially to those who dont have Christ in their lives. I do not know if laugh or cry , almost 30 yrs involved in this , Im still a Christian , I serve in my church , Ive learned more since I left the movement , I am happier more devoted Christian than when I was manipulated to go out soulwinning , bus driving ,Sunday school teaching etc. If you think that anything other than what your church teaches about salvation is easy believism, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. Welpjust commented for the sake of the few who posted comments and clearly are rowing the same boat as I! For you say that it means nothing to swear by Gods Temple, but that it is binding to swear by the gold in the Temple. 17 Blind fools! I dont even know what a Scofield Bible is but I believe God can use divorced people. Our pastor dont take any credit he passes praise the church gives to him towards God. We will never attain that on this side. 45. My mother doesnt wear fancy earrings. [13] Robertson had previously attracted media attention after he stated that gay people should be shot and New Zealand prime minister Jacinda Ardern should "go home and get in the kitchen". (Acts 20:7, Hebrews 10:24-25). All rights reserved. We believe that salvation is by grace plus nothing minus nothing. But I still think that every Christian should spend some time in an IFB church. A strong percentage of our funding comes through several hundred local churches who support But, all teasing aside, the author and other commentators sound very bitter and unhappy so I honestly feel badly for you. I dare say it would be the one you enjoy making fun of. Can God heal if it be his will yes he can. Why do people think that I dont have time to pray for loved ones simply because I have this site up? I could come to him with anything that was bothering or troubling me and he NEVER judged me or held me in contempt by making me feel like I was less than or not good enough. If you pray using KJV language (thee, though, ye, etc. when you run into her at Wal*Mart. (1 Timothy 2:1-6; 1 Peter 2:5,9; Revelation 5:9,10), The local church is mandated by God to practice two ordinances. 34. God cant forgive you if Jesus didnt save you. The IFB are Pharisees of our day. What is the Baptist Church, and what do Baptists believe? Hypocrites! Scripture is Good! While I dont have a general opinion on this, I do believe that we should discipline our kids in the same sense that God disciplines us. 20 When you swear by the altar, you are swearing by it and by everything on it. Told to leave them to the hog mire until they return to the father.. Despite having overcome drug addiction, trouble controlling my drinking, and a whole lot of other issues, my church never told me to leave, never told me to come back when I was better, never scolded me. Every proposition presented for action of the church must be introduced by motion of one member and seconded by another. There are independent Reformed/Calvinist Baptists, and independent Arminian 26 You blind Pharisee! Most Christians believe everything in the Bible. We believe that the souls of the redeemed are, at death, absent from the body and present with the Lord, where in conscious bliss they await the first resurrection, when spirit, soul, and body are reunited to be glorified forever with the Lord (Luke 23:43; Revelation 20:4-6; II Corinthians 5:8; Philippians 1:23, 3:21; I Thessalonians 4:16-17). (Genesis 2:24; Romans 7:2; 1 Corinthians 7:10; Ephesians 5:22-23), We believe that God expressly forbids intimate sexual activity be engaged in outside of a marriage between one man and one woman. We believe in the bodily resurrection of all men, the saved to eternal life, and the unsaved to judgment and everlasting punishment (Matthew 25:46; John 5:28, 29, 11:25-26; Revelation 20:5-6, 12-13). The reality is the ONLY TRUE CHURCH is the church that PRACTICES BIBLICAL TEACHINGS and NOT THAT OF MAN-MADE TEACHINGS because THEY ARE AGAINST THE BIBLE because I do ask the question that why there are so many churches. 1. I am a member of an IFB church, Many things on the above list dont apply to the church I attend or those with which I have had the opportunity to attend. This is the first and great commandment. She told her son Kenneth, who was 16, he had to start attending the academy and the church with her. Me and my husband got saved 3 1/2 years ago at an IFB church. The New IFB began with Steven Anderson of Faithful Word Baptist Church in response to perceived liberalism in other independent Baptist churches. If you believe going to the movies is a sin but not renting movies or watching them on TV, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 10. Grow your faith in a less toxic environment. Like I said, funny post, but a bit judgmental as well. Id rather do the hard work than be a robot though. You hurt the cause of Christ regardless your intentions and you should be ashamed of yourself, especially if you think this is the proper way to obey the two commandments the Lord Jesus said were the most important. 25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; 26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word. On the Arminianist view the church I go to now teaches from a biblical standpoint that salvation can still be lost. That doesnt necessarily mean they arent a dangerous cult. Also, #55 there has only been and will ever only be one perfect person. Theres a lot that is biblical in your post that we should want to do and some not biblical and therefore should abstain from practice. I dont know what Daves intentions were. Those who judge people like that WILL BE judged the same way, PERIOD. Belief number 51 is absolutely wrong. The only sin that is not forgivable is blaspheming against the Holy Spirit. 16 Blind guides! Jesus said I came for the lost sheep of the house of Israel.. Judah has always been with God. As God's priests, we can study His Word, pray for our needs, intercede for others, offer worship, and serve in His work. If you believe that women are inferior to men and are to be submissive to their husbands, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. Yes, I remember that. Praise the lord for forgiveness. You ALWAYS have your KJV Bible with you at church, and turn to numerous verses each sermon. If one gives because they are forced, or constrained TO GIVE, that giving does not come from the heart, and God does not honor that kind of giving. We believe that the sign gifts of the Holy Spirit, such as speaking in tongues and the gift of healing, were temporary. 7 You hypocrites! Here are my concerns about the beliefs since I am not Independent Baptist, Southern Baptist, or part of any Baptist affiliation: Did I have to marry him because I forgave him? The list is quite helpful just in case one is wondering if theyre living through the motions or not though, but some things are definitely unbiblical to do whether youre IFB or not. The verses you quoted are taken out of context and dont mean what you imply them to mean. We believe that God forbids any attempt to alter one's God-given gender identity by any means, including surgery or appearance. However, some (I agree Ogrodnik) are unfair and judgmental. I believe this passage is a description of the IFB church Im a member of. I was in an IFB church for eight years and left because the weight of never feeling that I would be good enough for this church had worn me down. 12. Their testimony is great Im sure they won more people to the lord than you. Some of these are very much right on the money. I dont deserve Gods forgiveness or even my husbands forgiveness. We believe the King James Bible to be inerrant. If you attend a church that has a team of men who are charged with keeping an attendance count each Sunday, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 43. operating or proceeding inconspicuously but with grave effect. WebAn independent, fundamental Baptist, local church oriented faith Mission serving Baptist and Bible churches in their missions outreaches and church planting around the world. 9 And dont address anyone here on earth as Father, for only God in heaven is your Father. I mean yeah, theres some truth to a lot of this. We believe that the ecumenical movement is a demonic attempt to unite all Christian denominations around experience to the disregard of biblical doctrine. Not of works, lest any man should boast. I am unsure if she was already a member before her husband passed or not. I am pretty conservative, but find some of this stuff outright ridiculous! Do you know what Jesus told the Pharisees? This is the only church Ive been to, so I just awsume all Churchs are loving, caring, forgiving, honest, and strive to bring glory to god and its just sad to here that thats not the case. Same position regarding IFB belief 29. Im happy to defend my position, but I dont tolerate assumptions, attacks, accusations, judgments, bullying or anything of the like. G. M. Matheny. 40. If your church has a tract rack outside the sanctuary, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 22. No denomination, governmental body, or religious hierarchy may dictate the church's beliefs or practices. I have an old high school friend here with me who started visiting churches. If you think that you should cut your vacation short so that you can make it back in time for Sunday morning Sunday School, but think its OK that your pastor miss a Sunday or two because hes on vacation, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 5.
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