This is the most farcical privatisation even by the comedic standards of British railways and the aim is to defeat one of the last holdouts of organised labour Claiming the Commute requires employers to pay for half of the commuting costs of their workforce that pertain to (more environmentally-friendly) modes of transport. Andy Byford, New York Citys transit president, has maintained that fares are crucial in improving rider experience. There really are no excuses to adopt gold-standard solutions from elsewhere, though it is depressingly common in US transit, but also many European countries. The Wiki section on France is truly pathetic (not worth publishing or reporting but I am sure it was): A 2009 study found that the share of immigrants in the population has no significant impact on crime rates once immigrants economic circumstances are controlled for, while finding that unemployed immigrants tend to commit more crimes than unemployed non-immigrants.[83] A study by sociologist Farhad Khosrokhavar, director of studies at the EHESS, found that Muslims, mostly from North African origin, are becoming the most numerous group in [French prisons].[84][85] His work has been criticized for taking into account only 160 prisoners in 4 prisons, all close to northern Paris where most immigrants live. Because the truth is that ANYONE will fare evade, its just for these people it is a conscious (or almost-conscious) act based on a bunch of questions they are running through in their head:. WebSo fare evasion is a civil offence not a criminal one. Paris RER-A (the direct equivalent of CrossRail) opened in 1977 and today carries 300m pax p.a.. Today Paris has 5 RER lines which carry more than 1bn pax p.a.. About 44 years later, and 75 years after it was first proposed, CrossRail will cost north of 18bn and the scale of opportunity cost that can only be imagined. Every commute brims over with aggro. Fares are integrated between buses and trains (which is more than I can say for, say, London), and theres a schedule for fare by distance. The MTA has also mentioned a higher figure, $300 million; I do not know if the higher figure includes just urban transit or also commuter rail, where conductors routinely miss inspections, giving people free rides. No one is questioning that it could be done by technology. Turned things around very quickly and were the most efficient solicitors I have ever dealt with. Plus, when its late at night and my phone battery is dying and Im worried about getting inspected (since my monthly pass is on my phone), reasonably bourgeois people tell me not to worry because in practice there are no inspections late at night. They did an excellent job and she gave me all the information Ineeded. Londons fare capping system is weekly rather than monthly there are no monthly passes, and all fares are set at very high levels. the. Yes, though my employer (in as much as they paid my salary since a lot of the time I was on fellowship, ie. What fare evasion offences could I be prosecuted for? Passed a law to forbid one penny of government money going toward Eurostar or HS1 (part of the reason it took 12 years after Eurostar began, and turned into one of the textbook cases of PPP/PFI gone wrong). San Fransisco went to POP for their buses, and fare violations and dwell times both went down substantially. the Foret de Fontainebleau is 2.5x the size of intramuros Paris! Paris recently eliminated the zone restriction on certain Navigo cards thus reducing, in the most significant means, the previous disadvantage of those living further out and often less economically advantaged. Fare evasion rate on Hong Kongs open, non-gated, LRT system in year 2002-2005 was said to be only 0.4%, but there doesnt seems to be any more updated data. But heres the thing, this new letter writer had not done it but had merely looked at the website and made those conclusions, and not actually selected times and routes and actual tickets. I get why that is, but you really want to go somewhat lower than 45 on these grounds. MS (July 2017), I would like to place on record my sincere thanks for the highly professional and thorough service that I received from BSB Solicitors. because it is so easy to do. Fare gates on very crowded systems (such as Londons) also act as crowd control at Stations that are getting overcrowded due to disruption. All of this is pretty reasonable cops desperately need to treat sexual assault victims better, and getting to universal enforcement is really good at reducing sexual assault rates, and Boudins language on this makes it clear he intends to help men as well as women (in the US, men who are raped report at even lower rates than women). As I have said many times on this blog, I am a big believer in single-zone fares, even for, or especially for, mega-cities. And the London lessons are very applicable to NY. We are far behind some of the leading nations in terms of our approach to publicly available transportation. I do note that East Asian cities with nearly universal transit use, have very complex pricing that does not seem to bother anyone there. I know that Korea manages to make all of this work at low cost, but elsewhere in Asia, those sprawling, palatial stations with many exits get really expensive. After a brief waiting period, I received good news that the representations made were considered proportionate to a warning and a fine only. Also, a friend who is former department of health mentioned there is a churro sweatshop where the churro supply for several of these vendors these are made, and which is without working bathrooms, which they had raided in the past. For Ile de France the versement transport VT payroll tax has at times funded 40% of StiFs operational costs (I dont know how that breaks down for different modes) and it sounded like they were proposing something like that for the UK. To me, it is quite obvious that monthly passes only exist as they were a practical low-tech practical solution before modern technology (which was a reasonable motivation). The form will ask you whether you intend to plead guilty or not guilty and will give you an option to enter your plea by post. Its like when a growing city chooses to expand its bus system, because it is the cheapest option. Thats Fare Evasion 101. At the moment that the rail industry is having a long drawn out argument on the best way forward as everyone can see the season ticket is dying but the political cost of getting rid of it is too high, so some form of fudge will be needed. BSB was my first choice when I faced the likelihood of prosecution after I failed to show a valid bus ticket when travelling in Central London. In fact I use my employer-subsidized subway season ticket precisely in this manner. For a small % this is an economic decision. Ditto public urination; it exists in Berlin, but not in elevators Ive seen men do it at night on the side of the secondary entrance to the S-Bahn at Neuklln (which is more or less the poorest area inside the Ring), but the area smells fine, so I suspect that either its not common enough to be a public health hazard or theres regular cleaning. In any case, it should be clear that both Paris and Tokyo could be much more compact than they currently are. Theyll be lucky if they dont get some Hong Kong-inspired rebellion! How did you come up with M16s?? If you decide to plead guilty, you can choose to go to court or not. Compared to other major European countries, commuting costs take up a considerably larger amount of workers pay (Table 1). The penny pinching Japanese private railroad operators seems very able to operate and plan efficient transit decades ahead. Cheaper transit is promoting sprawl in both cases. In any case, major capital investment will always involve the government, but that is largely irrelevant for questions about using existing infrastructure efficiently. See Santa Con and other events for affluent proud dysfunction. Despite your notions, the planners in HK and Singapore etc are prioritising the transit aspects with financial performance being secondary. Even if the OP did have full details written in the post, nothing is linking the OP's post to the guy showing up in court. One could envision that stationing 1 officer / entry watching for fare evasion should bring that fare evasion down to nearly 0 regardless of types of gates, as well as put a significant dent at crime since anyone chased out of the system can quickly be apprehended. They were extremely professional and helpful. Hi! 2019) (applying abuse-of-discretion standard to review the denial of a motion to amend to add a claim for punitive damages), review denied (Minn. Mar. They One doesnt think, on the weekend or non-commuting period, whether to take a short or a long trip on the Metro, one thinks of the trips one wants/needs to take and might compare doing it by Metro, private car or taxi. A.K (July 2017), I am so pleased that I have chosen BSB Solicitors to help me with my case. But the government still think this is a severe problem to the government budget, and is now proposing the adaption of a new ID-based system for the elderly discount, requiring elderly across the city obtain a new transit card with their name and photo printed onto it, and show the photo to drivers or ticket validators whenever they want to ride public transit, so as to avoid such sort of abuse. WebFare evasion from tfl which led to a court summoning. *Except in the actual immigrant nations of USA, Canada and Australia where crime rates are lower in immigrants! Even the Tokyo MEA which is just municipalities with 10% commuting into the 23 Wards is a ton of wilderness, as wilderness area is included in municipal borders (zero unincorporated land, all wilderness belongs to a municipality administratively). Of course the Oyster card tech (copied from Hong Kongs Octopus) could have fed the Brits propensity to burden their fare systems with all kinds of conditional time and zoning regulations that would have allowed them to painlessly pump up the cost to the customer. The flat fare is not really applicable to American cities, except possibly the Bay Area on BART. Solicitors @Alon That is the sensible way to do it. For the other 5%, you would just put in the starting and ending destination in a machine, and the machine would tell you the price. In this context market pricing of public transport isnt really consistent. CrossRail was first proposed in 1948. They will then consider whether to initiate a prosecution. By the same token, the issue of fare evasion should be viewed from the lens of revenue loss, rather than that of crime and disorder. Thoughts on Planka.nu (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planka.nu) and similar movements/organizations? The advice I received was always well thought through and was communicated promptly at every point. Notably the Tokyo is denser than Paris is a Phenomenon o the last 30 years according to the Atlas. I wouldnt feel comfortable hiking the monthly fare in New York at all until the pay-per-ride fare hit $3.50, maybe even $4. I understand why a transfer station should look like this, but Singapore has these enormous complexes with mezzanines even at non-transfer stations. I agree with the first letter writer. And on the other hand, by the relatively frictionless Paris and French system. On many buses, drivers just let it go and let passengers board without paying, especially if nearly all passengers are connecting from the subway and therefore have already paid, as on the B1 between the Brighton Beach subway station and Kingsborough Community College or on the buses to LaGuardia. what does silent notifications mean; why is there a shortage of paper towels again? V.S November 2018, I recently contacted BSB Solicitors in relation to a potential fare evasion prosecution. If you have additional social goals, direct your energy towards them directly (tax credits for transit cards for low-income users or similar), and not solve them by arbitrary bulk discounts. With a modern system, there is no extra inconvenience is actually charging according to how much you use the system. For more precise recording, there are teams of inspectors checking every ticket, and in the case of pass holders they ask from where to where the trip goes. And it makes you feel that you own the city (or the IdF). Hope that isnt a dark omen. That is, about the Brit who is the latest guy charged with pulling NYC-MTA into order. Thats not my impression but admit I dont have direct experience for several decades now. And the S-Bahn gets subsidies because of lower suburban ridership, same as the RER/Transilien. They actually reduced the fare on the Staten Island ferry to zero. But from a nation that does allows compilation of such statistics: A report by Statistics Denmark released in December 2015 found that 83% of crimes are committed by individuals of Danish origin (88% of the total population), 14% by individuals of non-Western descent and 3% by those of non-Danish Western descent. And you really have no excuse for not understanding this as I explained it all, here: 250km2). if someone from outside the metro drives and parks on-street they have to either meter or pay daily parking rates on a app. Do you think the econometric, austerity-minded policies w.r.t. Its because the software can only remember so many trips, right? It certainly helps the use of the Metro/RER, keeps car use low (you need to be slightly insane to try to drive in Paris; I did for the first year . Your second point sounds like moral panic. Why is pay as you go more popular?? In France there are subsidies to suburban rail and buses, but the Mtro is most likely profitable by itself (the fares are barely lower than here, the operating costs are the same, passenger traffic density is a lot higher). Its probably best to see if your Powers-That-Be ever manage to get past Fare Evasion Kindergarten first before doing that. We base such a policy on international examples wherein commuting costs are also born by employers, the state, or a combination of employer, state and commuter. And Herbert, arent you German? The Official Site of Philip T. Rivera. However, what Ive encountered more resistance about is the idea that people should just be able to walk onto a bus or train. This system has been copied to American light rail networks, but implementation on buses and subways lags (except on San Francisco buses). it seems it's a RA1889 prosecution ie Fraudulent use of a Freedom pass with the intent to avoid payment of the correct fare. No one asking for M16s. Its response last week to the cancellation of so many Southern trains was to issue a new timetable, removing one in six of its trains. For local operation (bus, tram, regional trains) they use vehicles which contain a passenger counting system, counting the number of people getting off and on. I had been using it for a few weeks when I was stopped by aticket inspector. As you wrote, passengers should be able to get on and off trains quickly, with minimum friction. Terribly sorry. HL February 2021, I highly recommend BSB solicitors, they are professional and responsive. New York itself may have an excuse to keep the faregates: its trains are very crowded, so peak-hour inspections may not be feasible. I am very pleased with the conclusion of my case. It is seemingly impossible to get comprehensive timetables (and costs) for all trains plying a certain route. For Walkability and Good Transit, and Against Boondoggles and Pollution, fare evasion costs $240 million a year on the subway and buses, The total cost of the new patrol program is $56 million in the first year, https://www.citylab.com/transportation/2019/11/public-transportation-security-safety-laws-protests-equity/602212/, https://www.traveller.com.au/traveller-letters-campari-spritz-is-far-superior-to-aperol-spritz-h1jm5q, https://www.inquirer.com/transportation/septa-bus-fee-transfer-poverty-transit-pew-study-20190724.html, https://tfl.gov.uk/fares/how-to-pay-and-where-to-buy-tickets-and-oyster/travelcards-and-group-tickets, Todays Headlines Streetsblog California, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rail_Settlement_Plan, http://www.caltrain.com/Fares/tickettypes/GO_Pass.html, Op-Ed: What America Gets Wrong about Fare Evasion Streetsblog USA, News roundup: Happy Thanksgiving Seattle Transit Blog, Cops on Public Transportation | Pedestrian Observations, The Port Authoritys New Fare Policy is an Improvement Connect-PGH, https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/19/southern-rail-failure-crush-unions, https://pedestrianobservations.com/2019/07/18/free-public-transportation/#comment-61991, We Gave a Talk About Our Construction CostsReport, Burning the Midnight Oil for Energy Independence, Pittsburgh, Youngstown, Akron, Cleveland Arts And Livable City Blog, Jim Aloisi, Trimount Consulting and Board Member at TransitMatters. Its about whether its fair to impose essentially middle-class bourgeois standards of behavior on public transit systems. This is a very good example of how *not* to do things. 3) The San Francisco stations have public areas before the gates. Finally, monthly passes are regressive for people with very low incomes, and uncertain cash flows, as they may simply not be able to make bulk purchases. For someone who has no previous convictions, it is, of course, a great shock to be facing a court appearance. The hassle involved makes it pretty sure that commuters (like me) wont bother. Is it a shorter trip? Most if not all Parisians love the Metro and consider it theirs. American transit agencies and activists resist calls for large monthly discounts, on a variety of excuses. More recently, it trialed a new turnstile design that would hit passengers in the face, but thankfully scrapped it after public outcry. As to the rest of your post, it is pure econometric thinking of the kind that gives me a headache. Press J to jump to the feed. You know what you pay, and you wont get any surprises. And it more or less coped with delivering those 1-2 million in a few hours without major drama. Does anyone higher up the food chain than a churro vendor gets tackled to the ground by police over this? Having unlimited pass owners crowd around the fare readers is only a little bit better than having them wait to push through a gate. At some level its just normal commerce. Its funny that the US is all about making things run like the private sector. With regard to other countries in the Anglosphere, I think Singapore and London actually do have monthlies: Singapore has the Adult Monthly Travel Card allowing unlimited use of bus and train services for a month islandwide, for $120. Since racial identification is supposed to not occur in official stats. While I agree with pretty much everything in this post, I think encouraging monthly passes is a mistake. Even today way too many stations on the Iida or Yonesaka lines while too few on the Kagoshima area ones, the urbanised Ou line areas or the Yosan line. There are no large groups of transit users versus non-transit users locked in some zero-sum lethal fight over spoils (which in a US-context is really just the ordinary culture war conflict, transplanted on transit). Singapore has no season passes at all. The lack of S-bahn style operation patterns in the non-megacity regions is a failure of government and private-sector since no-ones pushing it. Probably best to seek actual legal advice from a solicitor than take advice from an Internet forum where your criminal record is at stake. In the vast majority of cities, no excuse exists to have any kind of overt fare control. EDIT: Ignore that, the CAG thread states OP had an Oyster card, not a freedom pass. In the context of most US metros, I think looking at transit fares in isolation is a mistake. Change). If you have social priorities (which is totally fine and reasonable) make sure they target the groups such as low-income earners, students, unemployed, poor pensioners, etc directly. Learn how your comment data is processed. You will usuallybe asked to respond within ten days. He was just pointing out a common activist position on transit in the United States. You may then be held in custody until you appear in front of the next available court. I dont really know; admitting this makes me feel like one of those elites the Gilets Jaunes (and maybe Alon who had neither of these perks?) BART has a three-pronged problem that it is dealing with concerning fare-evasion. But railways, especially ones that have to cope with a giant network, hardly ever run at a profit so all it really means is a horrible choice between running fewer services, increasing fares (on routes with lower traffic than the ones chosen by the commercial entities; yeah that will work but of course it will simply force these horribly inefficient lines to close) or other kinds of cuts, slash & burn etc. In the urban German-speaking world, everyone with a valid fare can walk onto a bus, tram, or train without crossing fare barriers or having to pay a driver. If an inspector (conductor) finds you without a ticket, you either pay a fine or get kicked off. As part of a new campaign to combat fare evasion, the MTA hired new cops to police the subway. And the metro did develop from a tram system as was once planned for the heavier Stadtbahns. Ireland..DroghedaDublin.116..3% Pendeltg is the proper S-Bahn / RER after all and that started in 1968. The answer inevitably will be yes, and this despite paying high salaries and absurd high bonuses to senior execs etc (which went on even as those companies marched into bankruptcy.) Writing a letter of representations offering to settle out of court so as to prevent prosecution. So, you have to swipe-in AND swipe-out. I use the discount punch pass (something that really should be eliminated ) instead of the monthly pass because my local network isnt good enough to consider using the bus for more trips. Thanks for the advice. Rich people ride commuter rail, theyre not policed. Of course with a monthly or unlimited-travel card, one doesnt think about it at all. I cant find the article, but there is some evidence that enforcement is largely unimportant. Or/and they think pay as you go is so hot, and so new. Its probably one of the most American-friendly ways of encouraging more monthly distribution, since itd be hard to argue that employers shouldnt mitigate their employees commute impacts. TFL Fare evasion prosecution | RailUK Forums. requires time or athletics) to do? This would be different from London, where Underground makes a sizable profit, and Overground about breaks even. And yet, I cant help but notice the parallels with left-wing moralism on this: sexual assault is a form of oppression, theft (even robbery sometimes) is righteous downward redistribution of wealth. Hello there and thank you for choosing to use our service. Would you say that SNCF fails to provide good service to the regional cities of France? We should be moving toward ALL in-city transportation should being pre-paid annual passes. WebOur fare evasion solicitors are familiar working with the major train and bus companies in England. No, simply untrue assumption, and I could easily make the opposite assumption, eg. And it does an appalling job. I could see onboard payment systems going away. Its in the budget. And the chances of being killed by police will be even lower. 800851655). Of course fare gates need manning so outside of the busiest stations fare gating is often a peak time only operation. In talking to Americans about fare evasion, I have found that they are generally receptive to the idea of minimizing revenue loss net of collection costs. This could probably be achieved without putting in more money into the system if rush hour pricing, no or modest bulk discounts, and higher prices for long trips were introduced. If fares generally bring in X amount of revenue, then why would increasing tax revenue by X be bad. What you want in terms of Get cars out of the city is a system where riders dont have to do math or stuff to consider whether they should take transit, As soon as you force them to calculate whether its worth it, theyll consider cars. Also known as GTR majority owned by the Go Ahead group it ferries commuters from across the south coast into London Bridge and Victoria. Unsurprisingly, the UK train system is privatised, no doubt this accounts for these exorbitant prices. In the east, well Hong Kong, Singapore and Japan, there is a paternalistic care about the travelling public that balances the overt greed in the west, hence Japans government-imposed ceilings on fares. (Ile de France has a population density of 1010 people per sq km, that should say. The German-speaking world, as irrational as Britain and France about urban crime rates that are far lower than they were a generation ago, still treats the train and bus rider as a law-abiding customer unless proven otherwise. Doing this by encouraging wasteful use and monthly passes makes no sense (and often the logic behind it is flawed and empirically incorrect). All sorts use the Paris Metro and even with its monthly card, is more expensive than either of those cities. Highly recommend this firm, Jim was excellent and settled the case very quickly NA October 2021, I am so very grateful to Mr Skelsey who was incredibly professional and thorough when handling my case. At lot depends on whether one looks at the public transport system in isolation or as part of the whole transport system or part of society in general. Unfortunately, the problem of indifference to monthlies on urban rail is common around the Anglosphere. With an electronic payment system, you can have pretty non-interfering gates (which also makes it possible to charge per distance), they can be largely symbolic (just a tower you push your card against). The issue is how to get those who live in it to use transit for more of their travel. I have seen a claim of Ile de France urbanised zone as 3,640/km2. Bourgeois standards of behavior is what allows public spaces of all sorts to function, whether it be transit, parks, plazas, or beaches. @Phake Nick Sorry that narrative is wrong, the pro-car consensus was if anything more dominant 1950-1987, highways and railways were actually paired together e.g. In most of the US, as you know, we need better service more than we need cheaper fares. On most of our bus lines drivers check tickets on boarding, but we seem to be transitioning away from this as well. Trains and trams are also PoP. Find out about prosecutions, court proceedings and how to get help with your case. London for example spends <2% of fare receipts on collection costs. In Zurich, its 20 trips; ZVV does whatever it can to discourage people from buying single tickets. Indeed if you can get most of your passengers/city reaching two yeses then your casual evasion will be well below a level worth caring about.. So why do it at all? BSB Solicitors are regulated by the Solicitors We have utilized this guidance to seek to persuade TFL to reach an out of Court Settlement with many of our clients. (England) Hi, I got a fare evasion summoning me to court, and Id like to know if theres a possible out of court settlement option from tfl as Im not trying to stain my record. Then they use it for specific services, and get the data. Thatcher was pathologically psycho about it. It is advisable to seek the representation of a solicitor in this situation. Solano Verde Water District. I imagine Stockholm looked elsewhere than Germany in the 1950s? Seattle uses a third way of incentivizing monthlies, in addition to low-income fare discounts and relatively affordable monthly passes; Washington States Commute Trip Reduction law incentivizes large employers (>100 people) to reduce driving alone rates, and buying monthly passes for employees and making them available for little to no charge is a fairly common strategy to do so. . OUTRAGED. 3) Lost revenue from passengers avoiding system due to crime can be inferred via a safety survey. That is what happens in the UK where taxes are high and user-charges are high (and as it happens with a system run on econocratic lines, the service is poorer; a trifecta merde sandwich). Which makes cheating extremely easy. You specifically dont want discounts on tolls, though the point of tolling is to discourage car traffic, e.g. If you were to plead guilty at court or to be found guilty after a trial, this is a criminal conviction.
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