Most shouldn't have ever been parents in the first place. Also when I was growing up, people had no qualms about calling a parent and saying "Your little boy Johnny said something really awful to my son today." or "Your little Janey slapped Susey today and she needs to stop doing that." The second of the Columbine killers, Dylan Klebold was a "born genius" who, despite a sensitive disposition, experienced explosions of rage (most often brought on by failure or humiliation,) suicidal tendencies, a disdain for the "zombie"-like human race, and a suggestibility upon which the psychopathic . You teach people to manage their condition. I honestly do believe (and so does mom) that his brain has been rewired primarily by a head injury he sustained when he was just toddling. I think it is really interesting to think about the many things that lead someone to commit a school shooting. How often did they fix things up, was he emotionally available for Dylan? i cannot remember nor can i find the source for this but im half certain its in his interview in the 11k. Asking how points the way forward, and shows us what we must do. - You're all over this shit aren't ya? She is the author of A Mother's Reckoning, a book about the signs she missed of Dylan's mental state. Haven't most of you been able to conceal your homosexuality from your family for a number of years? Dylanx92s father worked from home and saw his son every day. Byron indicated the last time he saw Dylan was on their father's birthday. There are a myriad of factors to consider. (The OP was looking for books on personality mirroring and other techniques sociopaths use). Dylan, Cullen writes, was depressed. "some manipulate, like my parents.". "In my opinion, what went on in their home led to Columbine.". So no, nothing in the gifted program could have helped this kid. ", "R77, there are people who don't have feelings.". But Sue and her husband didnt know what the signs they were seeing meant. The world was shocked and sickened on April 20, 1991, when crazed students Dylan Klebold, 17, and Eric Harris, 18, slaughtered 12 students and one teacher at Colorado's Columbine High School. Very,very sad but not surprising.The majority of parents who have lost a child end up splitting up.No matter how much they loved each other or how strong of a relationship they had before the tremendous strain and grief is often too much to endure. Growing up in Ohio, she had a mixed religious upbringing with her Christian mother and Jewish father. Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold was the deadliest high school shooting in U.S. history, . For happy, easy-to-raise, and successful kids like him, it was easy to fly under their parents radar precisely because they were the shiny pennies, hiding the terrible pain they were in from their parents as capably as they did everything else (p. 65). And now she won't show it. Dylan Klebold's father contacted authorities, saying the boy might be involved and offering to help, Jefferson County District Attorney Dave . Do you think Dylans dad could embarrass him as a child in front of other people or humiliate him in other ways that could result in Dylans low self esteem or was Dylan naturally shy? At approximately 11:19 a.m., Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris, dressed in trench coats, began shooting fellow students outside Columbine High School, located in a suburb south of Denver. I don't think it's fair to either demonize or absolve them, but from studies of psychopathy, even the best parenting can't make that be turned off. Teachers did nothing. You shouldn't attack people for the actions of their offspring. These things outweighed their concerns about him. People need to understand this could have happened to them, he said. This girl went on screaming for full minutes at a time - nobody came out of the house and told her to be quiet. It wasnt deemed something that needed further attention. He did it in contradiction to the way he was raised.. "Psychopaths don't feel guilty because they are blind to guilt," Ochberg said. New York: Crown. I shudder to think what kind of excuses you make for YOUR spawn's horrific behavior, R62. He overslept and missed a class and was sleeping when I got home. His parents didnt understand the full extent of it, but high school wasnt turning out to be a kind place for him. Her recounting of the details of Dylans life, combined with what we learned about school shooters in general, paints a picture of how this particular child ended up committing one of the most infamous massacres in American history. After college, the couple married and settled in the Denver area. He was enrolled in a program for juvenile offenders run by the county court, he was taken to a psychiatrist and given both therapy and medication. Dylan has been so reclusive. She's spent years excavating every detail of her family life, trying to understand what she could have done to prevent her son's violence. It wasnt accepted.. But she came to realize the truth was far more troubling. I kind of admire that. No scientist knows this absolutely. I'm not saying that there's no guilt, no responsibility, because no matter how our brains are wired, we're all creatures of free will and able to make moral choices, but to lay everything at the feet of society, or the parents, or the school, is way, way too simple. He was kind, gentle, smart, and happy. Sue had no idea it was a life-and-death situation. (p. 311-312) Synthesizing the many factors, its argued that most school shooters have a history of social rejection, along with either psychological problems, an interest in weapons, and/or a fascination with death (p. 314). Bull fucking shit. Without one factor (their brains) or the other (the guns), this wouldn't have happened the way it did, but I don't see the point of dismissing/elevating one over the other. Asking how instead of why allows us to frame the descent into self-destructive behavior as the process that it is. Indeed, R96. However, most people know they are guilty as sin and should burn in hell with their son. In the April 24 column, Brooks had paraphrased an article in the online publication Slate that said Harris and Klebold yearned to become the most prolific mass murders in history. The attack on Columbine is almost a prototypical school shooting, but one way in which it stands out is that it was committed by two people together. Agreed that Klebold's parents seem like total cunts, delusional in their whiny victim mentality. "This is my (completely layman's) opinion, but I've always figured that we have more or less tamped down the "How" of the brain, but we're still working on the "Why" of the brain.". But 936 pages of evidence taken from the killers' homes and cars were released by the Jefferson County Sheriff's office on Thursday, and a notebook kept by Eric's father . The real tragedy of Columbine isn't the deaths, it's the failure to work to change our culture (from bullying to gun control) in the aftermath. He lays bare the callous brutality of mastermind Eric Harris and the quavering, suicidal Dylan Klebold, who went to the prom three days earlier and obsessed about love in his journal. Eric also said he had purposefully not been spending much time with his family so there wouldn't be much "bonding" leading up to April 20 since that would make it harder to do. As his father's career pulled him out of schools and away from friends leaving Plattsburgh, New York in 1993 for Colorado Harris increasingly retreated into the computer and . 1/12 Tom is home from the hospital. Klebold and Dylan's father, Tom, endured not only . Or is your tiny mind only capable of two viewpoints? He was a sociopath and needed drugs and a really good psychiatrist. What kind of parent lets their kid have a swastika prominently displayed in their room (as just one of many, many signs that their offspring had problems)? From what we cam tell, the Harris family took a laissez-faire attitude towards Eric. From many angles, Dylan was the average kid any parent would want. Dang, I'm unemployed and I wanted to watch today's Oprah about Columbine. In 1997 Wayne Harris, Eric's father, started logging all of his son's problems. -- b. A place to discuss the massacre that took place at Columbine High School in Littleton, CO on April 20th, 1999. Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, the gunman, had been bullied for several years prior to the massacre. I encourage you to study the footage and reach out to others in the comments. I suppose it's ok to let children scream in restaurants and theaters as well? Dylan Klebold's father, is Lutheran, and said her son . Both parents were gentle, educated people, who named their two boys after romantic poets x97 Dylan Thomas and Lord Byron x97 seemed to have given Dylan the message that so many of us recognize from our own childhoods: high school is hard, it will get better from here, wex92re here for you, we promise. The big trifecta of psychopathology. Maybe I'm just feeling too knowledgeable having been re-reading Steve Pinker's "How The Mind Works" recently. [quote]I can't believe Oprah canceled her Columbine show today. Find it interesting Tom would say he was Dylan's best friend. In a video-diary-style recording, Dylan stated his parents had been good to him. if anyone can correct or find the sources for me that would be greatly appreciated! Dylan: (predicting his parents' feelings of regret) "If only we could have reached them sooner, or found this tape. [quote]No, they hated the gay boys almost as much as they hated the jocks. A lot of psychiatry is and has always been about cheap quick labels, rather than an honest analysis of the society in which individuals live. February 12, 2016 11:56am. She hyped it up as a must see and an insight to what really happened. Not only would that give us someone to blame (someone still living, unlike Eric and Dylan, who turned their guns on themselves), but it would also allow the psychic distance between x93usx94 and x93themx94 that frightened humans crave. Too bad a pack of rabid Columbine mommies can't get together and make a punching bag out of her. Eric says if either the clerk or his father had asked just one question, "we would have been fucked.". You teach them to recognize triggers that exacerbate symptoms. Klebold, S. (2016). Think of kids who commit suicide - often you hear their family say, "We had no idea." Wayne worked as a transport pilot for the United States Air Force, while . comes from the shittiest of shitty, lazy parent(s). [quote]It is absolutely the parents vault. 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A 'Gentle Boy,' His Parents Told Investigators, Klebold Was Enrolled in an Elementary School Program for High Intellectual Potential Students. VOTN, they used to think blood-letting and reading the bumps on people's head was science, too. I've linked an article from Nature magazine about it. None of us knows exactly how the brain works. Subject: Re: The Klebolds are DIVORCED Fri Feb 12, 2016 11:17 pm. 9-11-1981 -- 17 year old son of Mr. Thomas Klebold (then 52) and Mrs. Susan (Yassenoff) Klebold (then 50), younger brother to Byron (21 at the time). A Further Examination: Sue Klebold's case study of her son, Dylan Klebold. They haff come here to haff a nice dinner und a nice time. Did those kids talk about this? His parents knew this, though not the extent of it. Dylan Klebold was suicidal for several years before Columbine. Kids hide things. Eric Harris was quite the hottie, I don't understand why he had to go and kill himself. Dylan Klebold, along with his friend Eric Harris, shot and killed 13 people and injured 23 others in April, 1999 in Columbine High School, before they turned their guns on . Yes, it's really terrible when there is the free-flow of information and ideas, isn't it? Dylan takes the camera then and begins filming Eric. [quote]None of us knows exactly how the brain works. His parents were Wayne Harris and his wife Katherine Ann Poole. Here, let me get your coats for you. Sue received a number of letters from people whod gone to Columbine who were more surprised that a shooting hadnt happened sooner than that one had happened at all. Dylan Klebold (Dylan Bennet Klebold) was born on 11 September, 1981 in Lakewood, Colorado, United States, is a 20th century American mass murderers. She and the father lectured him, took away . You're an idiot. As a . R17, would you call yourself more of a Harris or more of a Klebold? If someone read my journals as a teen, youd assume my Mom and I would have killed each other by now, but now we are pretty close. COLUMBINE HIGH SCHOOL massacre - WikiVidi Documentary. Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris killed 13 people on April 20, 1999, before taking their own lives. I can't help it. The couple took issue with people who say they forgive them for what happened. We will just do the opposite and everyone will be safe. Hey, Sci-fi-tologist, fuck off with your anti-psychology bullshit. It just seems all a bit odd. I couldn't do that to my family and I admit that I would never have the guts. To me its really hard to determine the quality of a relationship based on how teenagers feel about it. Brookscolumn did not say when and where the interview took place. Sue Klebold. School shooters often show little attachment to their school. Other way around. OP, I agree with you. "If a person was denying it, he would say, 'One of . No scientist knows this absolutely. Adding to the tragedy: Six months after Hochhalter's wounding, her mother, Carla, took her own life. There are several bags on the floor, including a large maroon one. The mother of Columbine killer Dylan Klebold says she thinks every day about the people her . They then killed themselves in the school library. Sociopaths who undergo training often use that training to fake being normal in order to better manipulate people. Too bad. 17 year old son of Mr. Thomas Klebold (then 52) and Mrs. Susan (Yassenoff) Klebold (then 50), younger brother to Byron. His father Wayne was a U.S. Air Force transport pilot . I also agree with R7. They opened fire on students and teachers at Columbine High School in Columbine, Colorado, on the Nazi leader's birthday in 1999, killing 12 classmates and a teacher and wounding 23 people before taking their own lives. crap. He felt a need to be in control. The recruiter cold-called him. on Thursday, April 23rd, 2020 By Eun Kyung Kim. He became more paranoid, forcing them all to flee a McDonalds because he believed a group of teens on the other side of the store were laughing at him. I just don't know how something that is so basic as how the brain works is something that can be treated with therapy. Dylan was also drinking at the end of his life, likely complicating his mental health issues, though had once said that marijuana was a waste of time and so perhaps wasnt involved in drugs. Dylan Klebold along with his friend, Eric Harris, committed the Columbine High School massacre 17 years ago. . I recently watched the documentary Raising Adam Lanza, and, though it wasnt as detailed, there were some interesting overlaps between Adam and Dylan. Theres to me a level of skepticism we have usually of course with the scraps of info we had, but also the slight weirdness/more to it/unreliability when it came down to this particular topic, Find it interesting Tom would say he was Dylans best friend. Mrs. Klebold had her hair done the day after the shooting. IE 11 is not supported. Eric's also wearing a plaid shirt that's either dark blue or black with white, with a white t-shirt on underneath. Some psychopaths are obsessed with money or power, but when you combine psychopathy with sadism, you get an Eric Harris. As Dylan entered adolescence, he became a bit more complicated. R77, there are people who don't have feelings. And now she won't show it. He had friends, but felt as if he were a burden; he wanted love, but the girl he was interested in didnt know he existed. Klebold's parents, Thomas and Susan, lived in a sprawling, secluded house on a dirt road. I don't really know what to say about the parents. He deflates a lot of myths surrounding the event. Very exciting though, the progress we've made. Bit of a warning, it's a PDF file. In my opinion, what went on in their home led to Columbine.. OSHKOSH, Wis. (WBAY) - A special event was held in Oshkosh Tuesday afternoon, where the mother Dylan Klebold, one of the two gunmen responsible for the Columbine High School shootings in Colorado . On April 20, 1999, two teenage gunmen kill 13 people in a shooting spree at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colorado, south of Denver. What a twat. I knew he was off, different. As the son of a geophysicist father and a mother who worked with the disabled, his upper-middle-class upbringing and well-meaning family didn't seem like contributing factors to his eventual killing spree. In the vacuum of actual news, they just start over again. And while his father was the epitome of the military asshole, having to deal with him only served to hone Eric's skills in fooling people. "Hey, Sci-fi-tologist, fuck off with your anti-psychology bullshit". crap, that is what I think of. I can't believe Oprah canceled her Columbine show today. She has spent the last 15 years excavating every detail of her family life, and trying to understand the crucial intersection . Both Adam and Dylan seemed to have good relationships with their moms (though Adam actually ended up killing his mother the day of the shooting), both struggled in school (Adam actually switched schools a few times. We had to get up at 4:00 AM to be there by 6:00. I wanted an apology. After I wrote a column a few weeks ago about the 1999 shootings at Columbine High School, I got e-mail from Tom Klebold, the father of Dylan Klebold, one of the . ", [quote]Eric: "Morris, Nate, if you guys live, I want you guys to have whatever you want from my room and the computer room.". Dylan seems to have been a very unhappy person. Ken Caryl Middle, where he met Dylan Klebold. I was in high school at the time. She just took interest and responsibility for what I did as long as I was both underage and under her roof. Reb". But even if you work with them to avoid their *own* pain, that's a start. When it came to intervention, these people had no idea what they should have been doing. Neither seemed to know where or with whom he was most of the time. After sitting and waiting for 13 hours, I just needed to get home. I go into Target and there are children shrieking like banshees in the shopping cart and the mother never says "Be quite. Sue Klebold with son Dylan in 1985. Credit: Sue Klebold via Penguin/Random House Tall, slim and graceful (her younger son was a gangly 193 centimetres tall), she is given to direct eye contact . Tonight, an interview with Sue Klebold, Dylan's mother, is set to air on the ABC news-magazine . Very few people really care. Shocking crime scene photos explode the myths and reveal shocking details! Susan Francis Klebold ( ne Yassenoff; born March 25, 1949) is an American author and activist. The glaring one that Americans seem unable to see is the huge amount of available weapons in the US. I believe it was either a sibling or playmates. Did Harris or Klebold have any siblings? The family subsequently moved to Littleton CO in 1993, and Wayne Harris took a job at FlightSafety Services in Englewood CO, a company rumored to work closely . I was just messing with you all a little bit in my other posts. The half-Jewish Dylan Klebold is more of a cipher. His parents were Wayne and Katherine. Sue Klebold is the mother of Dylan Klebold, one of the two shooters who committed the Columbine High School massacre, murdering 12 students and a teacher. ", Eric: (shrugs) "My parents might have made some mistakes that they weren't really aware of. These people do have emotions. If a kid is screaming endlessy, you remove the child from the area. I can handle them "spending too much time on the killers", but unfortunately I recognize there are too many whackjobs in this country who would just see it as glorification. They made sure to know who their kids were spending time with, and made sure they knew and felt that they were loved. Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris had openly admired Adolf Hitler. Other than that, we don't have much indication that Tom was anything other than a good father. But a new book, x93Columbine,x94 by Dave Cullen, reviews every bit of evidence about the shooting short of the parentsx92 firsthand accounts x97 25,000 pages of documents, including videotapes and journals of the killers x97 all of which point to the same chilling conclusion as the Carneal depositions: it is entirely possible for x93goodx94 parents to raise a murderer. Thats Something that stands out about Dylan anyway, the Lack of Emotion regarding his parents. See? I can't remember. I don't know if the Klebolds had any inkling at all, but I really don't get the Harrises. additionally, dylan was definitely naturally shy. Dylan Klebold was interviewed inside the Columbine libary on January 30th, 1998. He was also very close friends with the killers.
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