My cabinets are a true white (forgot name of paint) and all of the Dekton with a white background was too gray. They are very unforgiving and I can't imagine these floors in a house with kids and a dog. If ending up with the typical honey oak is my only choice, then I'd rather just get painted maple/mdfwhich isn't what I want! My stomach-- which had been in a knot for a year due to indecision relaxed. It would have been better to ASK if they put on all 3 coats in one day. It was light and made the room appear larger. It requires a special approach. He just did coat #2, not sure how much he used. I didn't choose the Nordic because I thought the white pigment made it look unnatural. One coat Bona Natural Seal A very slight natural stain similar to the white oak color of our floors. Which is why I posted asking for people's experiences today, but I never received any replies. We tried a few Duraseal stains on samples and none of them were right. Houzz Pro: One simple solution for contractors and design pros. sealer for Sandstone We elected to go with rift sawn white oak cabinets. Anyway, good luck. After sanding I loved the natural look of the wood including the knots and imperfections. There's nothing wrong with making a minor mistake, nor with owning up to it. The raw wood that was laid (almost the whole house) looks beautiful. Have a wet rag handy to wipe away mistakes and drips. Not the best lighting. Its a shame since it could be helpful for others. I adore the light color, but every little water spot shows, or a splash of spilled coffee. New This Week: 3 Knockout Kitchens With Natural Wood Cabinets, Trending Now: 11 Popular Kitchens That Rock Not-White Cabinets, New This Week: 3 Welcoming White-Cabinet Kitchens, New This Week: 6 Stylish Not-White Kitchen Cabinet Colors, 4 Kitchens With White Cabinets and a Wood Island. We were advised to wait until the economy rebounds. Im very happy with them and they are exactly the look I wanted. (Just read the dog drool threads.) These are the LVP samples and my unfinished white oak stair parts. Taj Mahal is an example of a crystalline Quartzite. @HU-6868130 your herringbone looks amazing! 1,303 views Oct 22, 2020 We originally sanded this floor almost 20 years ago, this time the customer wanted a much lighter color. If you said you wanted the look of 'raw wood' then matte is what they would have brought. Is there a really hidden section (you only need about 1 inch square) that you don't mind possibly damaging? Just a little darker then the natural rift oak. NordicSeal is going to give you a white frosting. I just got samples and have found mixing the white with mist gives almost an exact color for unfinished white oak. They are *very* hard, and you will be hard pressed to find a coating that stands up to them), but it would tell you that the floor coating appears to at least be behaving. It looks like the grain is *very* deep on the board to the left. I had a question as to why you decided only to do one coat of Nordic as opposed to the recommended two? Sorry but that isn't the way things are done in the building industry. Those are STUNNING! William Smith, D.D., was Press it very hard into the coating, and rip it up. I am trying to figure out the same for my rift oak cabinets. Some of us dont have either the budget or access to a multitude of cabinet makers so trying to work with them on getting the desired finish. Sigh. They didnt have classic to sample, but the sand/finish guy said it would be closer to the Natural than IntenSeal. Bona Naturale will also do this. I can reject non-essential cookies by clicking Manage Preferences. If you read the question carefully, you would understand I answered that the last coat of finish was applied Saturday. Im trying to stay with the natural look. Thanks so much in advance!! Two coats of Bona Traffic HD Commercial Matte This is a higher cost process, since it is a top of the line water based poly that prevents yellowing over time. Thank you and the pros who commented for the valuable info! This is what G & S was responding to.a quick scan of your answer (I'm guilty of it myself some times) can give the impression that everything was done same day (which it wasn'tbecause I asked about the LAST coatnot the timeline to reach last coat). There are some finishes that are a 'high-gloss satin' but I don't know where Bona Traffic HD satin sits on the glossy or not gloss level. Its no different than my quartz countertop and backsplash that also should not have acidic or harsh chemicals, and Im sure most professional contractors wouldnt recommended against quartz behind a stove. For the finish, use a water-based product, not an oil-based product which can yellow from sun exposure over time. Find out how to keep them that way, Tired of tan? Here are our raw floors right now. Just my 2 cents worth but typically, OAK flooring will shrink/expand ACROSS the grain it's usually pretty stable end to end, as with most hardwood species. (It looks a little pink on my IPad - its not in real life. My builders subs didnt handle either material and just about everyone except @Joseph Corlett (who regularly comments on Houzz) grimaced when I mentioned Corian. We will have 3500 sq of wood and certainly dont want problems. !Are you happy with the Satin? @Moran Blueshtein, We are having about 3500 sq feet of the wood installed and finished plus stairs. p.s. And dont go forward unless they are willing to give you samples with ALL the finished coats. Use Bona Naturaseal for the look you want. Photos would be helpful. Which means something is sitting on, grinding down, pressing into or just plain 'sitting on' your floors every second of every day. He did know his stains and how it would finishI will give him that. Im happy with the color. Ask youself, do you WANT to see a floor that shines AFTER you clean it? Doing the samples benefits me and the installer and builder they want me to like the finished product so they dont have an unhappy client. Press it very hard into the coating, and rip it up. Ill post more photos- the site only lets me post one at a time. Absolutely, I can see that. It doesn't make sense. Can you share the color? Ahhhh. I am on info overload. Im glad we didnt go darker. I can see the installer has the ABILITY to do make this finish workhe just ran out of time and money because of his bid (which was too low for full glue). It is not the homeowner's fault that the job was bid too low (but they did accept the bid)but it is now the homeowner's experience (part of the decision process of taking the low bid) to live through a full sand and refinish of a brand new floor. I appreciate your pros helping on all these questions. That leave NaturalSeal, ClassicSeal and IntenSeal. We see it FAR to often (as in DAILY) on this forum. Is This the Year Blue and Green Kitchen Cabinets Edge Out White? So far, this seems to be going well. I've tested their smoke reactive and their Baro reactive Both can be adjusted with water or their "clear" so that you can get varying tones. While I am not happy that we are all having this issue - I am somewhat relived to see that I am actulally not losing my mind that this look should be achievable in some fashion . Also hope this helps .. colors hard to see on monitor, I tested classic seal, white stain and Nordic seal as well. En cliquant sur Accepter , j'accepte l'utilisation des cookies telle qu'elle est dcrite plus en dtail dans la Politique d'Utilisation des Cookies de Houzz. That's not what was happening. Find the right local pro on Houzz to kickstart your project. I went to the Neolith east coast showroom and actually picked something out I loved but my builders fabricator talked me out of it. WebBona - WM710013496 - 16.5 in. The company that supplied the raw wood and the installer both recommend Bona products. They don't turn orangebut they do throw a strong YELLOW hue onto the floors. How should I adjust these home plans to save $ or improve the layout? You should look it up. Doing a light stain like this is not easyand it takes time. Argh. Not a one. Our floors were recently finished I havent seen them yet. If you think of the paint color of your cabinets.pass it on please. You can use Poloplaz Pearl sealer with Endure or Pallmann's Pall-x white seal and Pall-x Pure. Mega One is a clear non-yellowing finish. If that does something, it's busted, you don't need to test further. I am sorry , Thank you!! Here are pictures of Bona Natural and Traffic HD on white oak for anyone wondering, Gorgeous! Why did you decide to go with Corian? They are very unforgiving and I can't imagine these floors in a house with kids and a dog. If so, they are normal surface marking, nothing to worry about. It has come out very well. Never make color selections off a computer screen or printed brochure. They look closer to the raw wood tone. We just installed 5 white oak throughout our home. I didnt know what I wanted for finish when I contracted the job and their quote was for a cheaper finish. Bona BTW, we used Corian old fashioned solid surface Corian in our kitchen and in 2 bathrooms. We learned a lot from seeing the color and pattern differences between the American white oak and Norwegian white oak (and white oak from other areas). Held off on final coat until project finished.. which will be done in a few days. Have experienced installers figured out how to use the Nordic in open floor plan homes? I would say he under bid the job and was pushing himself to finish (he rushed the stainwhich is why it is inconsistent) so that he could move on and make money on another job. If neither does anything to your floor, the floor coating is at least in reasonable shape. Based on the research I've done, Nordic Seal has a tendency to show white streaks on the floor. Bona sealer to avoid uneven tannin pull due to using a water based poly, (especially on white oak), no stain, then Bona Traffic HD. Consider greige, blush, distressed blue or one of these other instant-classic cabinet colors, Try this classic kitchen combination for a design thats warm and inviting, Landscape Architects & Landscape Designers, Outdoor Lighting & Audio/Visual Specialists, Bleached White Oak Cabinets Star in This Two-Tone Kitchen, Seeing Green: Some Kitchens Ditch White for Mother Natures Neutral, Hold Everything Your White Kitchen Cabinets Just Got Better, White Cabinets Remain at the Top of Kitchen Wish Lists. (Plus, the Rubio, the longer it sat there, the more tannins it pulled.) True Quartzite is very dense and many are not prone to staining. That 'fit' can include their ability to communicate. Which one did you end up going with? G & S gave helpful advice prior to these last two posts that are nasty. The Corian fabricator came back and polished them just like new. I did a lot of research and planned to try Bona NaturalSeal, Bona ClassicSeal and Bona NordicSeal on this round of samples. (Side shower walls are white). Finalize your sanding with 150 grit and apply the first coat. If that does something, it's busted, you don't need to test further. I will have to follow up. Still a good quality product line, just not the best. As G & S states, the sealers will not AMBER over time (as in get DARKER) but the IntenseSeal and the ClassicSeal will offer SOME tan/yellow. But maybe it is just old and scratched over the years? WebBona NaturalSeal Brand: Bona 87 ratings $8892 FREE Returns Customer ratings by feature Durability 5.0 Value for money 4.3 Easy to use 4.0 See all reviews Similar item to consider Amazon's Choice AmazonCommercial Multi-Purpose Enzyme Cleaner, 1-Gallon, 1-Pack (12347) $24.97 ($0.20/Fl Oz) Frequently bought together + + Total price: "1 coat seal and 2 coats finish. Attached is a photo of the hardwood unfinished without stain. Thanks! I will ask him about Poloplaz Pearl and Pallman products as well.Would you suggest a satin or matte finish? Also, how many coats of sealer did you use? Bona They don't like doing it - because they go through SOOO many screening discs (I've heard of more than 12 discs being used in one home). They have been through such an immense amount of heat and pressure during formation that all the sand grains have become crystals of Quartz. They're supposed to start the finish tomorrow morning and it is Bona MEGA clear. The chemical composition of natural stones will affect their performance in your home so it's important you have this information. I do have a lot of experience with these stones because I own a Granite, Quartz and Quartzite company. They apply the product too thin and it sets up quicker than recommended. Also thank you for post and thank you too other posters. Look forward to more pictures. You need to start watered down, for they are strongjust take good notes of your ratios, LOL. A quick scan of my question and then a quick scan of your answer simply lead G & S to believe all 3 coats were put down same day.which happens more than you really want to know. Also hope this helps .. colors hard to see on monitor, I tested classic seal, white stain and Nordic seal as well. I have seen plenty of samples of his work. What I like to suggest regarding 'cure times' is to give them MORE timenot less. white oak floors, stain them or leave natural? Alternative to Bona NaturalSeal, Classic or Nordic on white oak I hope I get into the house before any subcontractors mess them up again! And finally, a 'fit' *might include costs.but it should be much lower on the list than you might think. How are you liking it so far? I realize your flooring was "select" not #2 and that makes a difference. I had no idea that white oak looks different when grown in one geographical area versus another. It is a work of art. W Spray Mop Kit EJD1462712 I wasnt wild about any of the patterns. That seems light to me, but he said it was sufficient (that word doesnt make me feel convinced). Bona is designed to be 'hot coated' that is to say it does BEST when coat 1 and coat 2 (like sealant and then 1st coat of finish) come in quick succession (less than 24 hours but nothing less than the 'minimum time between coats'). I have read so many wood floor horror stories. Originally, I had declared never to Quartz after reading peoples complaints about chipping and cracks. For someone to get this done 'properly' takes training. Its not a guarantee that the floors wont get damaged, but perhaps the extra coat will buy me a little more time to clean up a wet spot. Give a price you can make a living off of and let someone else win the low ball estimates. I looked at the bona product and it states it contains a small amount of white pigment? Thanks. Thanks. The reason: they turn orange. Erfahren Sie hierzu mehr in der Houzz Cookie-Richtlinie. Thank you for your feedback. I also read on a hard wood flooring contractor's forum about how in the 1980s everyone's white floors eventually looked terrible because the inevitable scratches turn dark from dirt and look awful against the white. It is engineered 7 - to be finished on site. Eager to see what you chose and how it turned out. Ryan - where did you purchase your Milesi? We have only had our cabinets for about a month so I cant speak to long term durability yet but they turned out gorgeous. The Bona Traffic HD is three steps higher than Mega. The refinisher used the 'trendy' finish that s/he THOUGHT you wanted to see. Rift sawn white oak like we are referencing is not common at all in our location. You should be able to try to scrape it (drag it hard across at any angle), dent it (press your nail in), etc, and nothing visible *at all* should happen. Watching them put it on, it doesnt look like the work applying it would be more than other finish products. It won't be cheap but it will be fast. Combining Bona NaturalSeal with a matte-sheen finish such as Bona Traffic Naturale preserves that look and gives your floor the Yep. 1 coat seal and 2 coats finish. We are looking for the same - any update on what you ended up using? (The Classic has less of a haze.) Thank you, I don't know the specific name of it. Heres how to keep them that way, Let the sunshine in. If not, you can at least trivially test the floor: First. These will give you the raw look, which prints tend to show up on. Thank you. Should a distributor be able to walk me through using this product for more details? I disagree that it was not an attack on me as G & Ss follow up comment said, oh yeah, hidden message. @Lisa Pearen it would help with identification if you post photos. I think we found a good match. What is your installer recommending? We were going after the Studio McGee house look attached. Bona NordicSeal to Create a Whitewashed Hardwood Floor I asked for, but he never did, an all country white one. Im struggling with the same issue thanks! I did call Bona and they assured me that none of the 3 sealers would add "yellow" or "amber" to my floors - but thought I'd also ask here. Indem Sie auf Annehmen klicken, stimmen Sie dem zu. I wish I could do it myself or delete the rude and negative comments. It will make you happy. Take the time to try all of the sample combinations. As for the cost of install$5/sf with FULL SPREAD glue + stain + sanding + finish (materials extra) is on the low side. In this angle Nordic is on the right and Natural is on the left. 1 coat of nordic seal will subtly lighten the color of white oak, while 2 coats of nordic seal will make it significantly lighter. Yes they can be 'walked on' after 3 daysbut moving furniture in is not ideal until 5 days have passed. This is a platform for people to help one another. Was afraid it would look a bit cartoonish or out of place. Yes, thsts bleached and toned oak with a matte finish. I had just had floors done by a floor shop, two years of hospice requires me to redo them, seems a layer can be scraped up with a spackle scraper easily and turned dark ( like cherry wood does in sunlight but this was white oak ). That's how building law works. If the floor looks as good as this little exposed area, Ill be really HAPPY. We are prepping for a remodel and I have been using my kids roll of art paper and taping it to the ceiling to construct mock ups of potential walls. Yours in Floors Zach Liske Floor Huggers. Here are some of my samples. trump2 would love to see the final product and what you chose, if your floors are finished. I'm thinking of using HI-MACS LG Hausys solid surface countertops, which I think is similar to Corian. Did you use one or two coats of the Nordic seal? The problem is that at this point my trust level is quite low. That's when we discovered he had never used water basedand that was the light-bulb moment for everyone. Look out for inexperience. We are wrapping up our new build and the floor stain choice was today. Any specific fillers recommended for the knots & gaps ? How 'cheap' do you want to go with something that important? The training may be 'free' but the cost to fly there, rent hotel room + food for 3 days (and lose 3 days worth of income) and fly back take money. We are building next year and making decisions now. I originally wanted Corian in the kitchen with a stainless area (Near the cooktop) because they withstand abuse, can be refinished and are hygenic. All of their materials will have to be paid for (as part of your contract), but it can be done. We have decided to go with a mix of white and light wood for the cabinets. If you are paying for professional grade products, just make sure you are GETTING professional grade products. Red oak stairs - Do I install white oak floors or red? (Thank you @Joseph Corlett for giving me the confidence to use Corian and to Heartwood Solid Surfaces for doing the work.) :), @bowmeister67 and @widdy23 I used exactly what bowmeister said , 1 coat of Bona Nordic seal and 3 coats of Bona Traffic HD satin. :), Absolutely gorgeous. Flooring guys are the best since they are redoing to make me happy. For a clean-shiny person there is NOTHING that will make them happy in the matte or satin range. Christina check out Rubio monocoat Gris belge Havana Slate grey These greys are very popular and with the matte sheen you will absolutely love them. If so, they are normal surface marking, nothing to worry about. I will post pictures. When it came to a finish, I didn't want any red or yellow coloration. It was applied Saturday morning.". Emily Henderson has a white metal railing in her split level home that is pretty gorgeous and widely photographed. I bought a cleaner made for the finish (similar to m quartz) and touch up is easy if needed. @Abigail Barber Burgum you can just go to their website to find the nearest dealer to you. I've seen professionals with 40 years experience ruin a water based applicationtwice. @mtpo sorry to bring this thread back. I used no filter on the photos, on an overcast morning from different angles. Its really helpful to see the product on YOUR wood. Also did the installer abrade between the seal & finish coats? Nordic seal is not a easy product to put down, unless you have experience. G & S isn't bashing you, they are bashing the 'dudes' in the industry. I am attempting to coordinate real white oak with white oak LVPthe unfinished white oak is an amazing match to the Paradigm Conquest Windsor and Towerwanting to basically stain/seal the posts and rails in a way that changes the natural state the least, neutralizing any weed tones. WebBona Natural Seal stain on white oak hardwood floor and 3 coats Bona Traffic HD Matte on top. It can work with a range of subfloors, including concrete, Looking for something different from an all-white kitchen? Dark Hardwood Floors vs. Light Hardwood Floors? P.P.S. In Honor Of Design I have a small house and should have maximized flow but didn't realize just how much planning that would take at once. My suggestion is to figure out what type of 'cleaning' person you are. I found a highly recommended company that has experience with placing wood floors in the most humid environments Plenty of high-end homes have wood floors here so someone has to do it & do it well- just find "that" guy! And, to be fair to the above poster. Although, it can be used as a stand alone sealer. That makes SOOOO much sense. The 'big boys' of the finishing industry are 2-3 times more expensive than DuraSeal (and for good reason) which means the professionals will make less money. Also what do you mean by toned oak? Your floor looks amazing. WebBona NordicSeal is a waterborne sanding sealer that is formulated to provide a green alternative to a whitewashed floor without the use of caustic materials such as bleach. I might use the Baro for my cabinetsor the Pallman's Natural. qhhsubiquity.com Informacin detallada del sitio web y la It is less than $0.85/sf. @Ryan Danielson what did you end up going with? Nordic seal has white pigments. They are *very* hard, and you will be hard pressed to find a coating that stands up to them), but it would tell you that the floor coating appears to at least be behaving. I hope some of this information is helpful. If neither does anything to your floor, the floor coating is at least in reasonable shape. I will mention some Quartzites have a higher level of porosity and should be sealed regularly. I don't want yellow - so thinking Natural or Nordic - but I'm worried about the white wash being too much. Just just had solid white oak #2 flooring installed in my den. Skip the 'money saving'. Blue tape is where some contractors messed things up. No way to maintain and they ALL show scratches very easily and I should know- I get called a lot because of it Help! One coat application to saturation, or (for best results apply 2nd coat 'wet on wet') Resistant to algae, lichen and staining. thanks, so much. Another thread I found talks about Rubio mono coat. Don't disagree with you at all. are you happy with it 2+ years later (and is it holding up well with food/oil stains etc) please share any details, like if you had 2 or 3 coats. It is slightly better than a oil base polyurethane system. Bona Natural Seal You only need an inch. In fact, Im pretty sure the samples were just wound into the builders quote to us for the floors. @Mary Elizabeth I think we have narrowed it down to Ciranova's products..after testing theirs, Rubio Monocoat and several Pallman's waxes, plus a number of normal stains. what made you decide to go with natural. It has not been sanded or sealed yet so I hope we still like it when its finished. Here Bona Natural is on the left in front of fireplace and Nordic is on the right surrounded by sanded white oak. I asked for, but he never did, an all country white one. Thank you to all of the experts for weighing in. I do love the natural color. No one does work for free. Ill post more pictures when I get back to the house. If you like to see a shiny floor RIGHT AFTER you clean the floor (because it makes you feel like you've accomplished something) then you are what I refer to as a 'clean-shiny' person. Its for a new build. If you like the look of your raw white oak floors then NaturalSeal is your best bet. It's a installer issue. and any photos would be most appreciated I like the bona nordic white look in the 2nd photo (thats covering about 20 wood squares) is that the semi-gloss Loba, (or perhaps raw, freshly sanded parquet - that is the look i'm going for my wood finger parquet, lightened / whitewashed with the red/yellow/ambering removed and the seal to be almost matte. We went with that because the sample board looked exactly like the bare sanded wood, which is what we wanted. That's what I ended up doing. I know this is a flooring product but the color was almost perfect. This helps our clients make up their minds before doing the whole floor. What was really helpful to us is that the installer did lots of different samples for us and every new layer of the top coat changed how the wood looked. Please contact us if we can be of further help. Dark floors are pretty popular with clients but as you mention usually going with white or painted cabinets. Amber did of course have the amber/yellow tone - though not as much as I expected. Bona Milesi or Renner, etc etc. Hi, I know this is 2+ YEARS LATER, What finish did you end up selecting for your parquet floors? They make their final grit-pass and then they will place the colour samples down with a coat of finish. I'd love to know what finishes you ended up selecting as well. The matte helps scratches blend. She lucked out and her floors look pretty good. Oil wax floor finishes are poor choices for cabnet finishes. Cant decide! Carlyweiss, your post and pictures are so helpful for those of us in the choosing process. 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