Display as a link instead, system works well. once told the facts they simply. All correct! There are some Chinese replicas of these out there, however this sword is definitely genuine. It's a huge tell tale. Vice versa, antique blades are occassionally found The scabbard is painted the correct green color, and the spacing from the top to the hanging ring is the correct 3 inches. Upload or insert images from URL. The position of the number on the blade, configured to be read with the cutting edge down, identifies the sword as having been produced by the Tokyo Arsenal (The only other source for the Type 95 sword was the Nagoya arsenal, which impressed the number on the blade in such a. Check the military sword page for examples of WW II era You cannot paste images directly. In my earlier years, I would have rattled off a long list of the things I see wrong, where the veterans would remain silent. Amounts shown in italicized text are for items listed in currency other than U.S. dollars and are approximate conversions to U.S. dollars based upon Bloomberg's conversion rates. Showing an average amount of wear throughout, this Japanese Type 95 NCO Shin-Gunto is a beautiful example throughout. It comes with the original bag it came home from the war in. Then the horror is the "Ko" stamp! . Be the first to know of our latest discoveries and exclusive offers. Authorized for production in 1935, the Type 95, commonly referred to as the NCO sword was all-machine made unlike the more expensive and higher-quality Officer's sword. Sometimes they just forget this part. No habaki. Every musket, rifle, display machine gun, machine gun parts set or gun sold by IMA, Inc is engineered to be inoperable according to guidelines provided by the US Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATF). The condition of this sword is very good, with only some light surface staining. Most swords do not . A subreddit for enthusiasts, practitioners, collectors, and investigators of swords (and related historical weapons). The position of the number on the blade, configured to be read with the cutting edge down, identifies the sword as having been produced by the Tokyo Arsenal (The only other source for the Type 95 sword was the Nagoya arsenal, which impressed the number on the blade in such a way that it is read with the cutting edge facing up). See how many more you can pick! C $1,999.99 . These are simply paper spacers to aid in positioning the wrapping properly on the handle. As the tang rusts and ages, these become progressively smoother and less distinct. Some older (Shinshinto) The Japanese Type 95 pattern Army NCO's sword is one of the most reproduced / faked swords in the world, be warned. Most WW II era blades are not sharpened all the down to the habaki (collar). swords may likewise not be sharpened down to the habaki; however, most WW II swords were not. How the sword is mounted has nothing to do with its age or authenticity. The painted handle and scabbard color look very nice, even though there were still some parts not correct compared to the real one, but it will fool a lot of people, like many dealers, there main concern is profit, regardless of the piece being a reproduction. Writing about whatever interests me, and maybe you. The scabbards and hilts are usually designed to resemble bamboo or old wood sticks. It is said that during battle soldiers would not use the ring but rather would stick the sword through the belt the same way as the Samurai in ancient times. Have always thought the comments about not tipping off the forgers are just plain silly.I still do.The image of some rough factory in China where they are turning these outand some guy on a computer somewhere shouting out in Chinese into the factory "Hey guys! The grip wrapping and menuki are cast-formed. 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IMA considers all antique guns offered on our website as non-firing, inoperable and/or inert. $4200. Swords with carved bone handles and scabbards are sword clubs in many cities. military type swords are also being reproduced today. in the hilt. But machine made swords like this one do not have the accuracy of manufacturing that enable the Habaki to perform such a function. As originally produced the saber included a leather finger loop inside of the guard, which was riveted to the basket guard. By It's 40 inches overall, with a 33.5" blade, and weighs roughly two to two and a half pounds, or 101cm with an 85cm blade, and about a kilo for all you metric enthusiasts. age of a Japanese sword, seek advice from a reputable collector. Japanese swords will have a visible grain in the steel of the blade. Pre-Owned. Hi all,while I'm sure our members know how to pick a fake NCO, I wanted to share these.http://mountcastlesantiques.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=18&products_id=277http://mountcastlesantiques.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=18&products_id=276&zenid=qot0424cgushvekob07rapkkq2The really disappointing part is that I informed the site owner about the first sword and provided a comprehensive list of indicators the sword is not genuine. This is a fake for at least two obvious reasons : 1- copper hilted type 95's, or 1st generation T-95's are very scarce and have only 4 digits serial numbers (around 6000 produced). Because it's really quite a nice repro, thought I'd better share it here as for reference. The painted handle and scabbard color look very nice, even though there were still some parts not correct compared to the real one, but it will fool a lot of people. I'm not going to go into details. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. People can scoff at paranoia as much as you like but the simple fact is they are getting better, whether through study of originals or reading well intentioned post. A lot of people buy it and some weeks later you can buy it as a original NCO Sword.. This is pure fiction. . All orders are subject to acceptance by IMA Inc, which reserves the right to refuse any order. There is a suspicion that this is a fake. The serial number, 31278, and arsenal stamp are marked above the bohi (fuller). All Images and Text Copyright 2003-2023 International Military Antiques Inc. All Rights Reserved. The biggest giveaway are the stamps. I'll continue to post where I find different examples. The scabbard shows some surface corrosion, but still retails about 50% of its army green paint. . The original thread is gone and buried somewhere and this, Saw these photos of a fake Type 95. Gun magazine laws, concealed weapons laws, laws governing new made display guns, airsoft guns, blank fire guns, and other items vary greatly by nation, state and locality. Swords of this type were made in all sizes, from tanto to katana or tachi. or old wood sticks. Unfortunately have to agree with Brian, as prices move upwards, the copies will inevitably get better. Look at the bohi at the kissaki and the arsenal marks are terrible! This fine example is a genuine WWII Japanese Type 95 NCO Samurai Sword or katana with aluminum handle construction and machine made blade. a "real" sword and certainly not an antique. There are old sword blades which have no visible grain (muji hada); however, the presence of grain does Sorry Its not even a good fake. Serial range could be wrong as well but, I cant see them. The Scabbardlooks to have some paint left, however it is under the leather cover, which we have not removed, so we do not know how much still remains. Tokyo First Arsenal blade numbers. There are numerous varieties of items made in the 20th Century as blade - most likely a WW II NCO sword. Seppa intergrated in the fuchi is a no go here. A great early war example at a low price; yours for ? The serial #'s are the best place to focus IMHO. I am extremely thankful for the help/knowledge shared in this forum. WW II era machine made swords have an etched temper line, not a true temper line (hamon) made I ask you to help in determining the authenticity of the sword. Sponsored. Arsenal stamps do not appear on pre-1930's blades. The saya/scabbard number should be on the top of the scabbard, where it's covered when the sword is sheathed. I have been asked this many times at shows, from dealers and buyers. But machine made swords like this one do not have the accuracy of manufacturing that enable the Habaki to perform such a function. Hi I'm a newly signed up member of the site. The overall swords are getting better. For questions or accessibility help - please call (908) 903-1200. Please consider starting a new thread rather than reviving this one, unless your post is really relevant and adds to the topic.. World War 2 Historian, Relic Hunter and expert in identification of WW2 relics. 20062021 Nihonto Message Board Every musket, rifle, display machine gun, machine gun parts set or gun sold by IMA, Inc is engineered to be inoperable according to guidelines provided by the US Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATF). All the best. The blade on this copy above is not made bad in my opinion and it becomes better. NCOs will progress into the minefield of German militaria in the next couple of decades. Thanks sean, Your email address will not be published. I'll be an optimist Did he say to use as the basis for copies? Identification Ivory has a distinctive grain. by differential tempering of the blade. Grain (hada) is sometimes difficult for beginners to recognize. I think it's always worth spending the extra time to study these "high end fakes/copies" because they are getting better. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. A real hamon . An elite marksman. Used In good condition! But as I have been at this for a while, I'm seeing how much better the reproductions are getting, and I realize that every bit of help they can get by reading posts like this, helps them make their fakes even better. Is there visible grain (hada) in the steel of the blade? Does the blade show a true temper line (hamon)? I completely agree with Bill here. This sword is actually pictured on page 191 of Dawson . Dan. Be the first to know of our latest discoveries and exclusive offers. So all of these swords are offered on egun.de, schwertshop.de and other german sellers. There are collectors in China, and if they need more, they can buy them. will show tiny dots/specks (nioi and/or nie) along and between the border of the hamon and the rest of the blade. The detail that troubles me is the saya suspension ring being in the right place. on a single criteria. C $158.47 + C $66.38 . The blade is quite bright and, while there are some scratches and spots, there are no cracks, chips, or rust. Would need in hand to see many more. Opens in a new window or tab. NOTE: The following suggestions for determining whether a Japanese sword is old or new (WW II era or later) are only general guides. / scabbard has quite a bit of its original war time browning and During the WW II era, many machine made blades The prices go higher and higher and they will copy better and better to take part on this. They are getting better with the Kokura cannonballs, but this one - the lines are to thin, the balls too big. Shamsy To a novice who buys on impulse..then asks in the forums.you'll get BURNT. collectors often have a higher knowledge base then dealers, and a higher respect for items and there history. Brass hilt. There are a bunch more issues with the sword, so if anyone wants to test their detective skills this is a good opportunity. Real swords, decorative, historical, fantasy; humor, social, ID requests, shopping help, art; all sword-related topics are welcome (we are not very strict about topicality)! $159.50. Referencing Carlo's post from last year, I also used to collect some German (for MANY years) and was quite confident in my ability to spot fakes, but I admit the quality is now off the charts (especially helmets) and it forced me totally out of that hobby. I'm not trying to be rude, but we don't know you and your authenticity in your posted reasons to be here. Hope he listens. The grip wrapping and menuki are cast-formed. kink one side but is overall very good for its age; the locking real, good condition, price is abit high. I figured it might be useful to others. Identifying the Best Training, Tools, and Tactics for the Armed Civilian! But a small percentage made its way back to the United States and into the collector market. I would recommend you check with your original person who raised the concern about it's originality. remounted in samurai type mounts by collectors. This fine example is a genuine WWII Japanese Type 95 NCO Samurai Sword or katana with aluminum handle construction and machine made blade. Let's sum up. It will have shrunk and is likely frayed and worn. If you cannot see this grain or do not know what to look for, assume it is carved bone, not ivory. This is a blatant fake, which you should keep well away from. The matching serial numbers indicate the sword was taken off the Japanese soldier, not an end of war mass surrender item (swords and scabbards were frequently . Press J to jump to the feed. I do not think they will be able to make a perfect fake as there are too many small details right down to the materials used. However, just because the blade is steel does not mean it is a genuine Japanese sword as many modern replicas are made with steel blades. Stick to reliable sources more Han ever if you want to avoid getting burnt ! We assume no liability associated with misuse of our products. Obvious two issues are the scabbard pattern and additional screw. You can post now and register later. The Kokura Arsenal did not produce any Type 95 Shin Gunto but over-saw the production of these swords so its identification stamp is often found on Type 95 swords. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. painted wood figures. There is no historical documentation that ninja used swords which were of a special design or differed from those used by other Japanese of the period. of forging the blade using multiple folds,etc. WWII JAPANESE TYPE 98 ARMY SHIN-GUNTO SWORD!!! Could this thread please get a Fake tag? Anyway, if ok, can I post some pictures to get your expert opinion on my purchase? Katana | HEAVY Cutter For HEAVY Targets. Here is another example that's not too bad, but the bohi, stamps (these are most obvious parts) and other details are off. Overall a very nice condition WW2 Type 95 NCO Katana that will appreciate in value over the coming years. Greetings. most certainly mean the blade is handmade. There are strategies in place with most countries Customs and Border protection to seize and destroy fake watches, handbags, CD's DVD's etc, but swords are not even on the RADAR. It's a reissued one like one in Fuller & Gregory's book. This fine example is a genuine WWII Japanese Type 95 NCO Samurai Sword or katana with aluminum handle construction and machine made blade. By law, Japanese citizens were forbidden to own swords. Around $1.000. Something went wrong. The early serial number shows this sword saw service throughout WW2. It is something I very much dread, having to carefully vet every sword I see, but that's what happens when something increases in value at a steady rate each and every year. I agree and have never been able to put it into words like you just did. Funny story Paul. Hi there what would you expect to pay for a aluminium handled no 3 sword with some blade staining/surface rust and a dentless scabbard with some surface rust? (too The great majority of these swords are made of carved bone, not ivory. 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Sure, there's lots of other details like proof marks to look for, but these 5 things are just glaringly obvious and easy to see in pictures, and one or more seems to be on every single repro sword out there, so they're quick and easy ways to ID fakes. Even non-mechanical artsy-fartsy stuff. & valuations. PRE WWII JAPANESE TYPE 30 ARISAKA BAYO-TOKYO ARSENAL-SERIAL NUMBER ON TANG-EARLY. Military Japanese 95 Type Army Sword Samurai Katana Brass Handle ~Serial Number. This service used example is a genuine WWII Japanese Type 95 NCO Samurai Sword or katana, with aluminum handle construction and machine made fullered blade. tourist momentos that are commonly thought to be some special type of Japanese sword. I'm not an expert on Japanese swords, so I'll be glad with the maximum information on this Type 95. All NCO swords were numbered. Overall the fit and finish is definitely far above a replica, which can be seen in the photos. You cannot paste images directly. Most swords do not have matching . And with the wrong type stamps. I offered to send photos or provide opinions from experienced collector's. A World War II Type 95 Japanese Army NCO sword on which the sword blade and scabbard both have matching serial numbers. This sword I shared with Steve (this thread) is a very good knowledge test - the goofy belt hanger (Bruce references) made me discount the sword immediately, but on closer look (my opinion) the stamps are a bit better than the other, cheaper fakes out there on the market. Blade is 26.25 inches long, with an overall length of 36.25 inches. They just copy the real swords they import.Just comment what you like, you are not changing anything. Murasame Katana L6 Steel Hand Forged Steel. No single indicator alone will determine whether a sword blade is an This looks good from a distance, but up close the details reveal the fake. Many modern replicas and iaito have aluminum blades. They are referred to as "hocho tetsu" (kitchen steel) - a most derogatory term in sword circles. Even the once "lowly" type 95 NCO sword has started to command high prices. October 27, 2017 in Military Swords of Japan. View cart for details. I don't want to help them any more than necessary. Paste as plain text instead, and scabbards were frequently separated and ended up being "married" Original Item: Only One Available. Many people tend to believe that if a sword locking mechanism works very well. Celebrating the Past, Present and Future of Navy Cryptology, Official site for National Guard marksmanship training & competitions. Number of bids and bid amounts may be slightly out of date. Whether a blade is You can't sell weapons on ebay.de it is forbidden and ebay close your account. Today I checked, just in case the sword was pulled from sale, and lo and behold there is a 'rare copper handle' now listed, clearly of the same manufacturer. Replica swords and many Here is my last IJA type 95 copper handle nco sword the I own. I need attribution not for sale, but for museum exhibit. By the way, the MILLIONS of copy ROLEXS have not slowed the demand for the real thing, or stopped prices rising. Does anyone know if theres a production dating list for the different manufacturers of the type 95 nco swords ? the rayskin (same') are prayer papers to protect the soldier in battle. This fine example is a genuine WWII Japanese Type 95 NCO Samurai Sword or katana with aluminum handle construction and machine made blade. By placing an order, the buyer represents that he/she is in compliance with the law and will utilize the items in a lawful manner. is just ridiculous.They HAVE genuine ones to copy. A World War II Type 95 Japanese Army NCO sword on which the sword blade and scabbard both have matching serial numbers. Carved bone and carved ivory sword mountings almost always have untempered, soft steel blades. Steves last post real or copy? As above100% fakejust look at the fit on the saya throatBut yes they are getting betterBought a sword at a recent big militaria fair,actually two swordsleft them with the sellers instead of carrying them around when I came to pick them up was approached by a very polite Chinese fella who offered to buy them at a premium off meHe didn't hide anything said he was sending them back to ChinaAt the end of the show he had bags fullhe looked like ' Buckin Bronco ' carrying them away ! Rarely is a high quality blade found in sword cane mounts; however, some of Clear editor. This was a tough one! The best place to look is at the serial Numbers. The serial number looks very short by the size of the painted over area - maybe too short. / full sized images available upon request. For more recent exchange rates, please use the. I thought it would be a good idea to post a few old pictures of mine where I highlighted the considerable differences between Type 95 swords.
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